Bach 72* compared to Schilke B1

[Mark Bradley]

Does anyone have any experience in an outright comparison of these two
horns? Previous searches indicates there is at least some common
ground between these two models. I currently have a Bach 72*/43LR(ML)
that is a great playing horn, as well as a Schilke B5. They are
vastly different trumpets, but the outstanding difference between the
two is just how magnificently made the Schilke is compared to the
Bach. Schilke trumpets are every bit as much of a "hand made" or
"boutique" type super horn as anything on the market as far as
workmanship, IMO. Not to say my (new) Bach 72* is a slouch, it's an
excellent trumpet-- but valves, response, clarity of sound and overall
workmanship of the Schilke practically puts it in another league.

So to restate my question: with the big bell and more free blowing
characteristics, would the B1 be something of a good "all in one"
combination of the Bach 72* and B5-- possibly combining the best of
both worlds? The bigger sound and free blow of the 72* and response,
lightening valves, etc. of a Schilke B1?

Off tangent a little-- I guess the Kanstul 1600 "Bergeron" is
patterend off the the 72* and could be thrown in the mix here for
comparison. Anyone played all three of these horns (B1, 72* and
1600)?

Thanks!
Mark
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[Ron Jimison]

Mark,
I have played all of these, and find the B1 (for me) to be the best of
the batch. I do play a tuning bell B1, and have a brass and "beryllium"
bell so I can adapt the horn for the specific application. Much more
open, better intonation, and more responsive than the Bach. I just
tried the Kanstul Bergeron several weeks ago, and the basic sound was
good (better than the Bach IMHO) but the fit and finish were not
impressive. Large gobs of solder in some joints, gaps in others where
the solder flow was not good, and some significant valve alignment
problems. YMMV, but having played them all, I do feel the B1 (go for
the tuning bell if you can) is the most versatile of the three. Check
the Schilke Loyalist web site, Jim Donaldson has some great information
there, and just today I saw a brand new Schilke that indicates that the
new owner is keeping up that tradition of quality and craftsmanship as
before.
Ron Jimison

Post by Mark Bradley
Does anyone have any experience in an outright comparison of these two
horns? Previous searches indicates there is at least some common
ground between these two models. I currently have a Bach 72*/43LR(ML)
that is a great playing horn, as well as a Schilke B5. They are
vastly different trumpets, but the outstanding difference between the
two is just how magnificently made the Schilke is compared to the
Bach. Schilke trumpets are every bit as much of a "hand made" or
"boutique" type super horn as anything on the market as far as
workmanship, IMO. Not to say my (new) Bach 72* is a slouch, it's an
excellent trumpet-- but valves, response, clarity of sound and overall
workmanship of the Schilke practically puts it in another league.
So to restate my question: with the big bell and more free blowing
characteristics, would the B1 be something of a good "all in one"
combination of the Bach 72* and B5-- possibly combining the best of
both worlds? The bigger sound and free blow of the 72* and response,
lightening valves, etc. of a Schilke B1?
Off tangent a little-- I guess the Kanstul 1600 "Bergeron" is
patterend off the the 72* and could be thrown in the mix here for
comparison. Anyone played all three of these horns (B1, 72* and
1600)?
Thanks!
Mark
http://jazztrpt.freeservers.com

[CalicchioMan]

Post by Ron Jimison
I do play a tuning bell B1, and have a brass and "beryllium"
bell so I can adapt the horn for the specific application.

That's a great set-up..I plaed a B1L for a lot of years

[unknown]

I've gone through Schilke a B5, B3, X3, B1 and B1-L.
The B1's and great trumpets! I never had a chance to play the X3 and B1 at
the same time but the X3 was too much for me.
I love Schilke trumpets!
Sorry...can't offer anything abotu the Bach...Never owned one.

Post by Mark Bradley
Does anyone have any experience in an outright comparison of these two
horns? Previous searches indicates there is at least some common
ground between these two models. I currently have a Bach 72*/43LR(ML)
that is a great playing horn, as well as a Schilke B5. They are
vastly different trumpets, but the outstanding difference between the
two is just how magnificently made the Schilke is compared to the
Bach. Schilke trumpets are every bit as much of a "hand made" or
"boutique" type super horn as anything on the market as far as
workmanship, IMO. Not to say my (new) Bach 72* is a slouch, it's an
excellent trumpet-- but valves, response, clarity of sound and overall
workmanship of the Schilke practically puts it in another league.
So to restate my question: with the big bell and more free blowing
characteristics, would the B1 be something of a good "all in one"
combination of the Bach 72* and B5-- possibly combining the best of
both worlds? The bigger sound and free blow of the 72* and response,
lightening valves, etc. of a Schilke B1?
Off tangent a little-- I guess the Kanstul 1600 "Bergeron" is
patterend off the the 72* and could be thrown in the mix here for
comparison. Anyone played all three of these horns (B1, 72* and
1600)?
Thanks!
Mark
http://jazztrpt.freeservers.com

[Mark Bradley]

Post by unknown
I've gone through Schilke a B5, B3, X3, B1 and B1-L.
The B1's and great trumpets! I never had a chance to play the X3 and B1 at
the same time but the X3 was too much for me.
I love Schilke trumpets!

I happen to have a Schilke B1 incoming this week. It'll face off with
the Bach Strad 72* "mano e mano"... may the best horn win!


Mark
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[Mark Bradley]

Post by Mark Bradley
I happen to have a Schilke B1 incoming this week. It'll face off with
the Bach Strad 72* "mano e mano"... may the best horn win!

Well, I got ahold of a Schilke B1 to see how it would stack up against
my Strad 72*/43LR(ML) and it was a very interesting comparison. Both
horns are new. First of all-- one can't really over state just how
well made Schilkes are. As I've said before, I don't think there is a
better, more refined trumpet on the market. I mean, just how "hand
made" can you get? Not much more than the Schilkes, IMO. The valves
are the best. The Schilke truly feels like a "super" horn while the
Bach (while good) is not in the same league, contruction wise-- it's
like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford. Having said that-- I decided on
the Bach. I must admit I was expecting the Schilke to win the day.
The B1 is more responsive and slots better but it has something of a
laser beam of a tone-- it's almost scarry (what's it like with that
Berrylium bell?)! It's intonation is dead on but the B1 is just too
bright for me. In the end it all pretty much came down to tone (the
two were very close in "blow" or feel of resistence with the edge
again going to the B1, the B1 was also a little lighter in weight) and
there was just more body to the sound of the 72 light bell. I think
the Bach's comparatively more mellow sound make it more versatile than
the Schilke--just has more of a sound I can life with. In this "play
off" I don't want to take anything away from the B1-- it's one heck of
an excellent trumpet and I can see why people would love it. I think
they are well worth the extra money they cost-- maybe even a bargin
considering just how much workmanship they have in them. But for me
this particular configuration of Bach (a well kept secret perhaps)
comes out the winner.

Your results may vary.

Mark
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